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  canoe yoke
  Posted by: lbaker on Mar-31-08 7:18 PM (EST)
   Category: Canoes 

OK oh wise ones, I need a removable canoe yoke for a Wenonah Vagabond. I'm thinking that since I'm female, I would prefer to go with separate pads that can be spaced to fit my shoulders, rather than a one piece unit. What say you? Any suggestions?

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  A custom fit is always best..
  Posted by: openboater on Mar-31-08 7:37 PM (EST)
  Limited choices
  Posted by: Jsaults on Mar-31-08 9:09 PM (EST)
for us solo boaters.

Soes your Vagabond have a wood/webbing/etc seat or the tractor slider?

One source of good yokes is Chosen Valley Canoe Accessories (CVCA). Unique "sling" pads unlike any others on th eplanet. Kevin makes yokes that clamp on either the wood seat or the framework of the slider.

These yokes are not cheap, but I can vouch for the comfort of the pads as I use them on my own design yoke for my Bell Magic. And the Mad River solo yoke is almost as costly as the CVCA's.

  Adjustable yoke for shoulder width
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-31-08 9:19 PM (EST)
You are correct, you want a yoke that fits you or can be adjusted to your shoulders. If you are looking at the Chosen Valley removable tubular aluminum solo canoe yoke that Wenonah sells, these are fully adjustable for different shoulder widths. You can loosen the bolt that holds the pad assembly to the tubes and the pads slide side to side for adjustment.
  Here's Another One
  Posted by: guideboatguy on Mar-31-08 9:27 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Mar-31-08 9:40 PM EST --

I'm really not sure what jsaults meant by there not being many choices for solo canoes. Most detachable yokes which mount to the gunwales work on either style of canoe. Usually the front edge of the front seat can be just behind your head (so that center seat really doesn't matter), though on a Vagabond, it'll have to be REALLY close behind or the boat will be front-heavy when you carry it.

Chosen Valley stuff is good quality, and if you can find something from them that works on your boat, you'll be in good shape.

Another company I recommend is a little one-man shop here in Wisconsin, and they make nice stuff too, though not a huge variety. I have one of their yokes and like it pretty well. The place is called Hidden River Yoke Shop in West Salem Wisconsin. I don't know if he even has a website, but he sells stuff at Canoecopia every year. I can give you his contact information if you'd like. His yokes have individually adjustable pads and a gunwale-gripping system that works a little better than most. I've never seen a Chosen Valley yoke that mounts to the gunwales (I've only seen the seat-mounted versions), but if they have one, I bet it works well too.

  2 guys with canoes on their heads
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-31-08 9:40 PM (EST)
walk into a bar.....

oh, you've already heard that one, sorry...
  Measure your Vagabond seat, first
  Posted by: canoedancing on Mar-31-08 9:54 PM (EST)
We've measured a few of the Vagabonds lately and the front edge of the seat is usually dead center, although one of them was 2" aft of center.

It may be just as simple as two CVCA yoke pads attached to the front bar of the seat with wing nuts, which I have done successfully in the past.

What I'm using now on my solo canoes is to take out the thwart that is behind the seat and replace it with a yoke attached with knurled knobs. When I'm ready to portage I just move the yoke from behind the seat to portage position and lock it in with knurled knobs. Works beautifully and weighs only 7 ounces more than the thwart that got replaced. It weighs 2 pounds less than the Mad River Removable Yoke and 1.5 pounds less than the Bell removable yoke.

Yes, the hull behind the seat is narrower than the portage position, so the yoke is installed to replace the thwart at a slight angle to make up the difference. I'll post pictures tomorrow if you'd like.
  Posted by: CEWilson on Mar-31-08 11:10 PM (EST)
Agree completely w/ CD - the turnscrew on yoke w/ CV pads is the best option for real carries. That said, it is heavy and pricey. Unfortunately, for longer carries, especially with heavier boats, it is the best, which translates into only option.

For shorter carries with lighter boats, look at the Portage Strap from the BagLady. 12 oz, 60-74SD, works pretty well with lighter and more tumblehomed solos.

You must know, of course, it is anti-community to double post info requests?
  Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-31-08 11:34 PM (EST)
Is there a danger of inbreeding?


Or winding up talking to oneself?

I answered already elswhere and know it so wont get caught on this one..
  Yes, I did post this question
  Posted by: lbaker on Apr-01-08 7:02 AM (EST)
once before,but it was inbedded in several other questions and I didn't get much of a hit on the subject, so I thought I'd try it as a stand alone. Didn't mean to break posting etiquette.
Or are you referring to the fact that I also posted this on Solo tripping???
  Posted by: lbaker on Apr-01-08 7:16 AM (EST)
I see you did answer my post on Solo, sorry for the dupe. Hope you're not permanently scarred ;-)
  nah at least
  Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-01-08 7:20 AM (EST)
not by this!
  Posted by: CEWilson on Apr-01-08 8:53 AM (EST)
Well, my faith in my fellow paddlers has been shaken to the core. After Yoga tonight, I think I'll re-toxify at the Lake Placid Pub and Brewery in a hopeful attempt to get past the trauma and reconnect.

Chosen Valley's 2# seat mounted unit, $129, may or may not work with your adjustable seat. You may need the $139 rail mounted unit.

Since CV also makes the WeNoNah seat risers, they will be the people to contact for compatibility questions.
  OT: Lake Placid eateries
  Posted by: Jsaults on Apr-01-08 10:28 AM (EST)
Charlie, I was on a hut-to-hut XC ski trip back in '95 or '96 and stayed in a hotel that was run by students from a local college who were interning for hotel management. Down near the Lake as I recall, with an excellent resturant. Is that establishment still there?

We also stayed one night at the Lake Placid Lodge, the hoity-toity establishment with cabins down at lake level. Plush.

older and fatter now
  Paul Smiths and the Lodge
  Posted by: CEWilson on Apr-01-08 11:59 AM (EST)
Pauls Smith's sold the St Regis Hotel in Saranac Lake last year.

The Lodge burned to the ground a couple years ago but will re-open this fall - more splendid than ever.

Until the rebirth of the Lodge the current best in town is the WhiteFace Lodge at intersection of 86 and Whiteface Inn Lane, just across the street from my house.
  Can I join you at the Pub, Charlie?
  Posted by: old_user on Apr-01-08 10:41 AM (EST)
The seat mount yoke will work on the Vagabond.

A bit of background on our yokes. I designed a gunwale-mount yoke for Wenonah years ago. It was adjustable to fit different gunwales widths, but even so I needed to manufacture 6 different models to fit all of Wenonah's solos (btw, the yoke cantilevered onto the gunwale and was elevated to allow your head to clear the aluminum pedestal on the sliding seat boats). When Wenonah introduced the Voyager, it was outside the range of any of the current yoke models, so I was looking at adding models #7 & #8 - time for a new idea. Turns out, Wenonah only uses 2 seat mounting styles - either sliding on a pedestal or a webbed/cane seat hanging from the gunwales. One of our yokes fits all of the wooden bench seats (including those mounted on the tiltable seat), and the other fits the pedestal. That gained us a ton of efficiency, eliminated the slop of adjustments to the frame and drastically reduced the number of skews. As far as other canoes go, I make the seat mount custom width on request to fit any seat - but if the seat is mounted aft of center, you need to add ballast to balance (since there is no fore-aft adjustment possible). I do still make the gunwale mount yoke, but they are 1-offs by special order only (so I have a hard time getting ANY efficiency out of it). On the weight, there isn't much I can do that won't undermine the integrity of the yoke, so it's as good as it's going to get with the current designs. IF I can find the time, I have a new concept in the works - it just won't be this season.

As far as pricey goes, yep, they're pricey like a Placid Boatworks hull - and for alot of the same reasons. Everything is manufactured, sewed and assembled right here, and every raw material is skyrocketing - aluminum alone is up over 300% in the past couple of years. We do what we can, and we're not getting rich. :)

If I can help in any way, just let me know - either here or via e-mail.

(and I'm serious about the beer, Charlie)
  Add Hidden River Yoke Shop
  Posted by: Jsaults on Apr-01-08 10:07 AM (EST)
to the list. I was unaware of them. And Charlie, sorry to have forgotten the Bag Lady's fabric yoke.

But Hidden River, Bag Lady, CVCA, Mad River.......that's only four vendors by my count. That is what I meant by "limited choices". But being somewhat obsessed with solo yokes, I am always fascinated to find another idea and approach.

  Posted by: CEWilson on Apr-01-08 12:03 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-01-08 7:21 PM EST --

I'm indifferent to choice of Yoke, because I am holding out for a boat caddy: someone to help me out of the boat, hand me a Margo, and tote boat and pack across the carry for me. I suppose I want them to have a comfortable yoke, but it's not critical to me.

I was trying to get a pilot program running in the BWCA when w/ Bell, using HS and College cheerleaders, but that all fell through when I moved to the Adirondacks.

  Charlie, you may be on to something.
  Posted by: Jsaults on Apr-01-08 12:43 PM (EST)
I have always been a DIY sort of outdoorsman - be it backpacking, winter mountaineeering, canoeing etc, I always carried my own gear with my friends. But that Hut-to-Hut around Lake Placid really opened my eyes: All I had to do was ski, and my gear was transported to our daily destination. Show up for breakfast and dinner, and otherwise sit about the fire with your toddy and squeeze.

At teh Lake Placis Lodge, we arrived at our cabin, showered and had a short nap, and then went to dinner. When we got back to the cabin, housekeeping had neatly and symmetrically arranged our damp clothing in front of a comfortable fire place.

The aspect of canoe-catered trips is tempting.....

Will you expect housekeeping to crank your Vortex as well?

  Here's a couple links
  Posted by: canoedancing on Apr-01-08 11:54 AM (EST)
This is the link to the CVCA solo yokes

and here's the link to my web page that shows the modifications I'm making to my Swift Raven

  Creative thinking!
  Posted by: Jsaults on Apr-01-08 12:36 PM (EST)
I like what you have done to the Raven.

  thanks Jim,
  Posted by: canoedancing on Apr-01-08 1:43 PM (EST)
I forgot to mention I've located the holder of the patent for the "power rocker" and if I can find a market for these things I'll find someone to start producing them, under a somewhat more likeable name. Any suggestions? "Tilt seat" came up as an idea, but there must be something more catchy than that......
  I call my cobbled-up version
  Posted by: Jsaults on Apr-01-08 3:22 PM (EST)

Fat Old Guy Butt Adjustment Device.

  Posted by: old_user on Apr-01-08 3:51 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-01-08 5:07 PM EST --

Based on last weeks discussion about Power Rockers, I understand the purpose of the FOGBAD. Until I saw Canoedancer's photo of it, I didn't know how it attached and actually worked. I had something a bit more mechanical in mind.

So my one clarifying question is: does it lock into the various positions or does it just easily hinge back and forth between "bench" and "kneel". At the least, is there a resistance point as it goes from bench to kneel?

  It has positive stops forward and back
  Posted by: canoedancing on Apr-01-08 5:20 PM (EST)
What you can't see in the photo are the two studs in each seat hanger. One stops the seat at about 30 degrees forward, the other stops the seat when it gets back to level.

Jim, when you searched the patent on this thing did a show any diagram or schematic that helps explain it? How do you search a patent, anyway?

  Google Patents
  Posted by: Jsaults on Apr-01-08 9:05 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-01-08 9:10 PM EST --

Main google site, therer is a button up top for patents. As I recall I searched for canoe+seat+tilt. I will give it a shot and post the results.


You have to keep clicking the "More" button until there is a link for patent search.



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