What exactly is a Greenland style boat?
Posted by: old_user on Jun-30-05 2:33 PM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I've been busily demo'ing various different boats and am finding it really hard to make a decision for what to finally go with. I really need to take each boat for a couple of weeks, try it in every kind of condition...but that ain't gonna happen.
One boat I really enjoyed was the new Valley Qajariaq. It carved turns beautifully when I put it on edge (and I'm by no means an accomplished kayaker). I know it's described as a Greenland style boat and it has an obviously upswept bow and stern. What does this mean in the real world? In terms of speed, manoeverability, tracking etc? How does it differ from a British style boat?
Other boats I tries were the Avocet (loved it but not enough foot room - I'm 6'2", 185 lbs), Pintail (fun, but a little slow I thought), P& H Capella (seems to do everything pretty well) and Sirius (liked that too).
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Most "Greenland" Style|
Posted by: sing on Jun-30-05 2:43 PM (EST)
Whatever people will pay for . .|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-30-05 4:15 PM (EST)
Real Inuit style boats are built as solo hunter's boats, made with skin-on-frame construction and as Sing said, typically with just two chines. This style of construction leads to an angular shaped hull with relatively sharp transitions on the hull. Greenland style boats run straight on an even keel, carve well on edge and are very light and robust. This are wonderful rough water boats with good speed and great performance int he rough windy conditions of Eastern Canadian Arctic.
similar but not the same|
Posted by: schizopak on Jun-30-05 3:08 PM (EST)
Upswept Bow Is Not Uniform|
Posted by: sing on Jun-30-05 3:13 PM (EST)
on all traditional Greenland boats. Looking At Petersen's book, you'll find some with minimal shearline on the bow and stern. Actually, the pic of this frame shown at QajaqUSA is good example such a "flatter" shearline:
Posted by: schizopak on Jun-30-05 3:15 PM (EST)
I should have realized that given my Betsie Bay Valkyrie isn't very pointy. There is a pretty big range from some fairly flat West Greenland kayaks to some dramatically flaired East Greeland kayaks.
Look at Harvey's new frame too:|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-30-05 4:50 PM (EST)
Hard chines vs. rounded chines|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-30-05 3:58 PM (EST)
Am I right in saying that in general a boat with hard chines will turn better than one with rounded chines, but perhaps have a lower "top speed"? I assume there's some kind of trade-off there anyway?
Posted by: grayhawk on Jun-30-05 6:19 PM (EST)
Turn better when leaned.. also in general track well, so many have no need for a skeg or rudder.
Not said yet|
Posted by: seakayaking on Jul-01-05 7:50 AM (EST)
and the cockpits are "ocean " style ---small .-M
That Really Depends On|
Posted by: sing on Jul-01-05 8:42 AM (EST)
where you put the seat and this affects the trim and not the hull shape itself. I put my seat a tad bit further back in my SOF than suggested by Morris' book and ended with a pretty neutral boat up to 20 knots. My S&G Greenland style boat weathercocks alot because it was built by and for a larger person. I had to move the seat all the way to the back to neutralize the weathercocking somewhat.
No, you can't generalize like that.|
Posted by: Bnystrom on Jul-01-05 8:47 AM (EST)
It's all relative...|
Posted by: old_user on Jul-01-05 9:01 AM (EST)
..it seems the latest marketing hype surrounds what each manufacturer considers to be "Greenland" style boats and usually involves trying to convince new buyers that their generic offerings are in fact something they aren't.