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All in all this is a great versatile kayak.
It's a better big water boat than creeker. Slow in the flats and on lakes it only gets slower when loaded for an overnighter. That bein' said it's still faster than most whitewater playboats. I feel its a better whitewater boat than tourer because of its lack of speed. I broke 1/2 the rudder off shoving the boat in the back of a pick up with the rudder in the down position. No worries, it still works the same. Sometimes I'll drop the rudder down when I'm surfin a hole or wave just cause I can. I do think it helps hold you straight on the features.
I like the big cockpit for climbing in and out of the boat. I use a xxxl sized (deck) skirt on it and still have to wet the skirt to get it on. The seat is nice and comfy for long paddles but the boat lacks back support. It doesn't promote an upright position for paddling whitewater, its kind of hard to sit real upright in the boat for extended periods of time. Lots of foot room, and the boat is really easy to wet exit out of.
Where the deck is high, only my knees get locked in(not my thighs) so its harder roll and puts some strain on my knees. Also the seat is wide even for me, and I weigh 220 lbs. Again this makes it harder to roll because my hips aren't locked in. The boat itself is wide so its also harder to set up to roll, having to really reach around the sides of the boat. However I think the hull shape is fine for rolling but because of the way its set up I struggle with it a bit. I have a much easier time rolling a shorter ww play boat. But like I said before this is "boating for dummies" and odds are you aren't going to flip to begin with.
The hatch leaks and I carry a cup or a sponge in it. I have to pry the lid off with a flathead screwdriver once the hatch gets wet. I carry the screwdriver in a nalgene bottle behind the seat. The drainplug works but you can never quite get all the water out of the boat with it. The boat is heavy, so i drag it a lot.
It's being marketed as a "crossover" but the Remix xp10 is a solid whitewater performer with the capacity to carry gear. It's a really "forgiving" boat that's right at home on big water. It you're wanting a solid whitewater performer that has carrying capacity and you're willing to give up speed in the flats then this is the boat for you.
We've had the boats in everything from Class 3 rapids to small trout streams with awesome results. The BadAss Outfitting is very comfortable. Not accustomed to whitewater boats, we bought the after market seat backs but then realized (post-purchase, of course) that we did not need them for paddling comfort...8 hours in this boat feels like nothing. One thing to mention is that we did hold out for the 2012 model (a number of local shops were still selling 2011) as we preferred the open cockpit design behind the cup holder. Lots of storage = you could easily camp or fish from the boat.
Some of the ocean paddling was in three to four foot waves although the of my padding is in moderate conditions and I tend to use the kayak for lakes and the ocean rather than rivers so far, however, it is nice to have the option when the opportunity comes along. I plan more river runs but this does take a bit more planning for shuttles etc. I see that class 2-3 is commonly mentioned for the Remix and even class 4, however the latter class water was not in my plans and was not part of my decision to purchase.
I am pleased with the handling of this little boat as well as the room for gear provided by the back compartment, either for a day trip or an overnighter. to be honest there was a lot of different review for different boats and there was a Dagger supplier not far from me but I decided to go online and buy from a supplier in the US as, Liquid Logic wasn't available where I live.
I am 6'1" and 210lbs and over 50 years old and where the kayak is not a speed demon, I have no problem paddling in the 4-5km/hr range for extended periods. For speeds over 5km, you will burn some extra calories to get there and you will be creating a pretty good wake on still waters.
I boat is fairly comfortable for extended periods with the Badass outfitting. One three day weekend last summer, I covered 80km in the Remix which was all lake and ocean paddling. As mentioned in previous posts, the rear compartment isn't always water tight and could be improved upon.I didn't find this to be a big problem and knew about it before my purchase.
Another plus for me was that the boat is easy to transport and store. Overall I find the boat to fit into my intended usage very well.
Before purchasing, I compared this boat to the Dagger Approach, Pyranha Fusion and the Jackson All Water and Rogue. I've owned a Prijon Yukon but that's much longer and a different animal. In my opinion, the XP 10 was the best of the lot.
It handles the frothy stuff reasonably well although I'd prefer more rocker, harder chines and lower thigh braces. I do understand that the target market is a more casual paddler. The rear compartment should be more watertight and I'd like to see the bulkhead moved forward for greater stowage and more built-in floatation.
It ferries and draws okay, but carve and spin are moderate. Surfing is just adequate. It rolls pretty easily for a wide boat. Flatwater is about what you'd expect from a wide 10' boat. That is to say, a chore. Having whitewater boats in the stable, I can paddle straight without the skeg and don't want the drag.
Liquidlogic excels in quality molding and this boat is no exception. The outfitting is way comfortable and adjustable. My biggest gripe would be the cavernous cockpit opening. I prefer more solid structure and it also creates a skirt issue. In addition to more flexible surface, it's hard to find a skirt that will fit it and is all neoprene. You can order one from Seals. Their site recommends the 2.2 size but I found this to not mate up well. I later saw that many outfitters recommend the 2.5. IR's is probably a better alternative and adds a knee strap.
No one should expect the implied panacea of a kayak that excels at all kinds of water. But, if you have the need of something that falls within the applicable niche, this would be a good choice to test out.
Submitted by: Mbob63 - Rating: 8 of 10
|This review courtesy of www.outdoorplay.com|
Submitted by: Hottrv - Rating: 10 of 10
|This review courtesy of www.outdoorplay.com|
I was less impressed with the XP's flatwater performance. This boat is very slow. The harder I paddle the more the bow pushes water. The bow is designed for flotation and lift not speed. Keep this in mind if you are buying this boat to use in mild conditions. Another advantage of this boat, is the stability. It has excellent initial and secondary stability. This boat can be put up on edge at any time but could also be used for fishing. Novices feel very safe in this boat. Another positive worth mentioning is the Badass outfitting. This is a very comfortable boat. I can spend many hours paddling without any discomfort. I do wish that I could adjust the seat forward and aft so I could trim the boat better for conditions. I think the 2011 models may have this feature.
I do agree with some of the other reviewers about the dry hatch. Mine has never been dry at the end of a trip even in mild water. My guess is that the skeg cable leaks but I have not attempted to fix it as I don't use the hatch.
Overall, this is a great boat for someone looking for a comfortable, great handling boat for whitewater conditions. If you are looking for speed, look elsewhere.
However the dry bulkhead is another story, its not really dry, more like drippy. I have had over a liter of water in the dry compartment and discovered that the bulkhead leaks if you get any water in the boat. so a skirt (even in hot weather) is a must.
All in all, I would not trade my boat for all the tea in china. What a hoot!!!
The boat performs as advertised. It is an extremely fun and versatile boat. The rear hatch and especially the drop down skeg make this boat what it is. And what is it? A really good crossover boat. A boat you can use on flat water or white water. I bought it primarily to have something to take down shallow rocky rivers and to poke around in river delta areas. It is the perfect boat for that. It is very stable, very comfortable and very easy to paddle. It is not a fast boat and not the boat for long lake journeys unless you are patient and have the time. After paddling one of my long sea kayaks, itís a bit of an adjustment to get used to paddling this short wide slow boat. I love taking this boat down to the local delta in the early morning and photographing wildlife from it. Did I mention it was very stable? It is a wide boat but not a problem for me. A smaller person might want to look at the XP-9. Same boat but sized down a bit. For my size the XP-10 was a better choice. The XP-10 could also handle someone quite a bit larger then I am.
This boat has a very large cockpit and getting a spray skirt for it was a little tricky. I tried three different ones before settling on a rand type skirt from Immersion Research (Lucky Charm with XXL deck size). Even this was hard to get on at first but I left it on for awhile and that stretched it out enough so that it goes on relatively easy. The cockpit rim is somewhat thick and angled at the back of the cockpit and spray skirts want to pop off when trying to make the long pull along the length of the cockpit. The rand type skirt really provides the good grip to make this easier.
In summary this is a high quality, comfortable, easy to paddle, crossover boat that lives up to its advertising and is worth the ~$1000 price tag.
My issues with the boat stem from how LL designed the boat based on it's whitewater lineage.
1) The boat tracks straight in calm water with the skeg down. However, you'll be pushing a lot of water as you move along. This is the result of a blunt shaped bow. A more angled bow would alleviate this, but you would loose some whitewater prowess. It's a conundrum, and I agree with LL to go with the current design. Still, when I get moving on flat water, I kick up a wake and fellow paddlers can hear me coming.
2) My biggest problem has to deal with the intended purpose of the boat and it's effect spray-skirts. Without a whitewater sealed skirt, the gunwales take in a lot of water, especially ferrying across rapids. Do this too long, take in too much water and the boat become sluggish or sinks.
However, if you are using the boat recreationally to tool around the river on a hot summer's day, being enclosed in a black sprayskirt becomes VERY hot and uncomfortable. Also, being that the boat is larger, it becomes more difficult to roll. If you are a beginner, or are not physically adept to rolling - this is an issue.
The other boats in this class - Pyranha and Dagger - don't have this problem (low gunwales) to this extent. Then again, they are not as good (in quality and performance) as the Remix. The ideal solution would be to have an "open river skirt" that compensates for the low gunwales, but is open on top for easy entry and exit, and is cool enough for hot days.
The boat works so good that I was amazed. Lots of places on the creek you only have 6-8 feet of width to work with. The LL Remix XP-10 is great for this kind of creek. I'm not the best paddler, that's for sure. But the boat is a great kayak for many of the small tight streams in the Ozarks. If you buy one you won't be sorry. This little creek is not big whitewater, but it is very technical and things happen fast. We did the 2.9 miles in just 17 minutes. I think that's about 10 miles per hour.
Just buy one!!!
I'm about 6'4" 230 with 36waist. Had to take the hips in 2inches on both sides. The cockpits so big if you hit your head on a rock hard enough (upside down) you can get yanked out. Rolling is easy unless your form is sloppy. Have got this boat pinned and bent in half(don't kayak tired...duh). Kicked it out with only slight visual evidence remaining. Have done class III+ with no problems. As a river runner This boat murders whitewater. As long as the paddles in the water the boat will do the rest.
Great beginner boat due to stability. The size also forces a newbie to learn proper rolling and turning. Will be getting a creek boat for the rock gardens and surfing holes.
As far as quality goes there are few that match up the design is pure art and the craftsmanship is flawless Liquidlogic really stands out with a boat like this! No I do not work for them, but do work for a sporting company that sells 7 different brands of kayaks. I have paddled a lot of different boats and the Remix XP10 gets a 10 in it's class!
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